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Sorry, Pastors – The Growth Of The Church Is Not Up To Us

By Karl Vaters on Jun 5, 2024

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"Preaching the Word, training disciples and ministering to the community may or may not increase the number of people who sit in front of me from Sunday to Sunday. But it will produce a healthy church."

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Tags: Church Growth, Surrender, Healthy Church, God's Church, God in control, pastoral leadership, call to discipleship, church leadership (view more) (view less)

If the size of my church was up to me, it would have been a lot bigger a long time ago.

After all, like so many of my peers in ministry, I’ve followed all the rules. Preach the Word, train disciples, reach people, remove obstacles, lead and manage it well, and the church will grow. Won’t it?

But then, it doesn’t. Not for most of us.

I know it doesn’t make sense. How can a church be healthy and strong, but not grow numerically? It seems counterintuitive and … I don’t know … wrong somehow.

But that’s reality. A lot of healthy churches don’t grow numerically.

No matter how many right principles we follow, how well we preach and promote it, or how many obstacles to growth we remove, some churches Just. Don’t. Get. Bigger!

Aaaargh!

Numerical Congregational Growth Is Not Inevitable

A while ago I was having lunch with a pastor of a church near mine.

He had previously been on staff at a megachurch, where he had led a huge youth group and participated in some well-known Christian music projects. He’s especially good at graphic design and promotion.

When he started pastoring, he faithfully applied the principles that had been successful for him and that he’d seen work for the pastors he’d worked with. But, while his church is great, it has stayed small.

As we chatted over sandwiches, he was comparing his previous situation to his current frustrations and he blurted out, only half jokingly, “It ticks me off that my preaching and graphics won’t build a big church!”

Me too, I told him. Then we laughed at our own stupidity.

I Can’t Make Growth Happen

I want to make my church grow.

There’s just one problem with that. It’s not my church to grow.

I have to remind myself of that all the time.

It’s Jesus’ church. Not mine.

The church existed before I came along, including the congregation I currently pastor. And both will outlast me.

So I have to keep reminding myself of the frustrating truth that some things are beyond my control.

But I still want to be in control. Or, at the very least, when I surrender my control to the control of the Holy Spirit I want results that make sense.

The Wisdom to Know the Difference

I keep trying to learn to relax my grip and surrender to Jesus.

To give him control.
To be okay with what I can’t control.
To live with the stubborn, frustrating reality that the numerical growth of the church is beyond my control.
To acknowledge that the only control I have is whether-or-not to stay faithful.

Preaching the Word, training disciples and ministering to the community may or may not increase the number of people who sit in front of me from Sunday to Sunday.

But it will produce a healthy church.

If I am faithful, God may sometimes bring numbers, but he will always bring health.

I’m learning to be okay with that.

Because healthy matters more than big.

Karl Vaters (website: NewSmallChurch.com)

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Karl Vaters is the author of The Grasshopper Myth: Big Churches, Small Churches and the Small Thinking That Divides Us. He’s been in pastoral ministry for over 30 years and has been the lead pastor of Cornerstone Christian Fellowship in Fountain Valley, California for over 20 years. He’s also the founder of NewSmallChurch.com, a blog that encourages, connects and equips innovative Small Church pastors.

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It has been associated not only with the Illuminati, but also with the Illuminati as a symbol of the group's control and surveillance of the world. Originally a Christian emblem, the all-seeing eye was used in paintings to represent God's watchfulness over humankind. In the 18th century it was used in new ways - for example in Jean-Jacques-François Le Barbier's The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, an illustrated version of the human rights document adopted by the French National Constituent National Assembly in 1789. Here it is presented as an instrument of paternalistic reason, who watches over the new democratic nation. There is no official connection between the all-seeing eye and the Illuminati - the proposed connection likely stems from the fact that the original group shared similarities with the Illuminati, who used the image as a symbol of God. Apply to become an Illuminati member Official application Join the Illuminati online Call/Whatsapp:+27790324557. 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After entering as a 'Novice' you progressed into a 'Minerval' and then an 'Enlightened Minerval', although this structure later became more complicated as 13 degrees of initiation are required to become a member. Did the Illuminati use rituals? They used rituals - most of which remain unknown - and pseudonyms were used to keep members' identities secret. However, the rituals we know (found in confiscated, secret papers) explain how novices could rise to a higher level within the Illuminati hierarchy: they had to make a report of all the books they owned, write a list of their weaknesses , and reveal the names of all the enemies they had. The novice would then promise to sacrifice personal interests for the good of society. What is the all seeing eye? The "Eye of Providence" - a symbol resembling an eye in a triangle - appears on churches around the world, as well as on Masonic buildings and the US one dollar bill. It has been associated not only with the Illuminati, but also with the Illuminati as a symbol of the group's control and surveillance of the world. Originally a Christian emblem, the all-seeing eye was used in paintings to represent God's watchfulness over humankind. In the 18th century it was used in new ways - for example in Jean-Jacques-François Le Barbier's The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, an illustrated version of the human rights document adopted by the French National Constituent National Assembly in 1789. Here it is presented as an instrument of paternalistic reason, who watches over the new democratic nation. There is no official connection between the all-seeing eye and the Illuminati - the proposed connection likely stems from the fact that the original group shared similarities with the Illuminati, who used the image as a symbol of God. 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The Illuminati were a secret society founded in Bavaria (now part of modern-day Germany) that existed from 1776 to 1785 - its members initially proclaimed themselves perfectibilists. Inspired by Enlightenment ideals, the group was founded by Adam Weishaupt, Professor of Canon Law. He wanted to promote reasoning and philanthropy and counteract superstition and religious influence in society. Weishaupt sought to change the way states were run in Europe, removing the influence of religion from government and giving people a new source of "enlightenment". It is believed that the first meeting of the Bavarian Illuminati took place on May 1, 1776 in a forest near Ingolstadt. Here five men laid down the rules that would govern the secret order. Eventually, the group's goals centered on influencing political decisions and disrupting institutions such as the monarchy and the Church. Some members of the Illuminati joined the Illuminati to recruit new members. A bird known as the "Owl of Minerva" (Minerva is the ancient Roman goddess of wisdom) eventually became her main symbol. How are the Illuminati connected to the Illuminati? The Illuminati are a fraternal order that developed from the guilds of stonemasons and cathedral builders of the Middle Ages. In some countries, notably the US, there has historically been much paranoia about the Illuminati - in fact, a single-issue political movement was formed in 1828 known as the Anti-Masonic Party. Due to the original Illuminati recruitment of Illuminati, the two groups have often been confused with one another. How did you join the Illuminati? To join the Illuminati, one had to have the full approval of the other members, possess wealth, and be of good standing in a suitable family. There was also a hierarchical system of Illuminati membership. After entering as a 'Novice' you progressed into a 'Minerval' and then an 'Enlightened Minerval', although this structure later became more complicated as 13 degrees of initiation are required to become a member. Did the Illuminati use rituals? They used rituals - most of which remain unknown - and pseudonyms were used to keep members' identities secret. However, the rituals we know (found in confiscated, secret papers) explain how novices could rise to a higher level within the Illuminati hierarchy: they had to make a report of all the books they owned, write a list of their weaknesses , and reveal the names of all the enemies they had. The novice would then promise to sacrifice personal interests for the good of society. What is the all seeing eye? The "Eye of Providence" - a symbol resembling an eye in a triangle - appears on churches around the world, as well as on Masonic buildings and the US one dollar bill. It has been associated not only with the Illuminati, but also with the Illuminati as a symbol of the group's control and surveillance of the world. Originally a Christian emblem, the all-seeing eye was used in paintings to represent God's watchfulness over humankind. In the 18th century it was used in new ways - for example in Jean-Jacques-François Le Barbier's The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, an illustrated version of the human rights document adopted by the French National Constituent National Assembly in 1789. Here it is presented as an instrument of paternalistic reason, who watches over the new democratic nation. There is no official connection between the all-seeing eye and the Illuminati - the proposed connection likely stems from the fact that the original group shared similarities with the Illuminati, who used the image as a symbol of God. 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Some members of the Illuminati joined the Illuminati to recruit new members. A bird known as the "Owl of Minerva" (Minerva is the ancient Roman goddess of wisdom) eventually became her main symbol. How are the Illuminati connected to the Illuminati? The Illuminati are a fraternal order that developed from the guilds of stonemasons and cathedral builders of the Middle Ages. In some countries, notably the US, there has historically been much paranoia about the Illuminati - in fact, a single-issue political movement was formed in 1828 known as the Anti-Masonic Party. Due to the original Illuminati recruitment of Illuminati, the two groups have often been confused with one another. How did you join the Illuminati? To join the Illuminati, one had to have the full approval of the other members, possess wealth, and be of good standing in a suitable family. There was also a hierarchical system of Illuminati membership. 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Larry William

commented on Oct 21, 2024

Hello everyone my name is Mike Clark i am from U.K i'm giving a testimony on how I joined the illuminati brotherhood, I was trying to join this organization for so many years now, I was scammed by fake agent in south Africa and Nigeria, I was down i could not feed my self and my family anymore and I tried to make money by all means but all in vain, I was afraid to contact any illuminati agent because they have eat my money, one day I came across a post of someone giving a testimony thanking a man called Larry William for helping him to join the illuminati brotherhood, then I looked at the man's email and the phone number that was written there, I was afraid to contact him because i was scammed a lot of times by scammers who ate my 5000,000 and went away with the money then I was very confused so I decided to contact the person that was given the testimony and i called him and I communicated with him on phone calls before he started telling me his own story about when he wanted to join he told me everything to do, then I made up my mind and called the agent called Larry William and he told me everything to do and I was initiated, surprisingly I was given my benefit of being a new member of the great illuminati brotherhood I was so happy, for those of you trying to join this organization this is your opportunity for you to join CONTACT Larry William call +2349011653251 or WhatsApp him or Email yougjunior542baba@gmail.com

Larry William

commented on Oct 21, 2024

Larry William

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Larry William

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Larry William

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Larry William

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Larry William

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Larry William

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Mirabel Henk

commented on Oct 25, 2024

This is my testimony on how I finally joined the new world order, Illuminati after I have been trying to join for over 2 years now but scammers took money from me several times. I have been searching to join the Illuminati for so long, but scammers keep taking my money until early this year when I meet with Lord Felix Morgan online I contacted him and I explained everything to him and he recommended the registration used and I paid for the big member to get me started and I was initiated into the World Order and I receive the sum of $1,000,000 us dollars after my initiation was done. I'm very happy! And promise to spread the good work of Lord Felix Morgan. If you are interested in joining the new world order Illuminati today, contact Lord Felix Morgan today he’s your best chance to gain membership to the illuminati that you always desire. Contact Lord Felix Morgan Email: Illuminatiofficial565@gmail.com or WhatsApp +2348055459757

Ralpa Turner

commented on Oct 26, 2024

I am Ralph Turner, i based in Bristol City in England. I won the EuroMillions Millionaire Raffle prize of £250,000,000 on on June 25 2024. I took advice from some person who talked about this great spell caster Dr Uwaifo, the person placed a testimony on a blog saying how Dr Uwaifo helped him win the lottery by sending him the winning numbers, so i was curious and i thought it was all joke not until i contacted Dr Uwaifo to know for myself how this work, because i have spend a lot buying tickets and i never win. I contacted Dr Uwaifo and he told me the necessary thing that needed to be done and I did it and he told me to wait for 24 hours, Dr Uwaifo truly gave me the winning numbers to play the lottery which I did, Can you believe my name was the first among winners. Dr Uwaifo told me my son, all i need you to do for me is make sure that you share this testimony to others in need of help so that they can contact him and they can win the lottery also. I am sharing this testimony with everyone who needs help to win the lottery. Contact this great Dr through his Website: https://druwaifospelltempl.wixsite.com/my-site-1 or email: druwaifospelltemple@gmail.com or WhatsApp:+1(315) 277-2762

Xavier Lukas

commented on Oct 28, 2024

I couldn't never thought I was going to get my EX lover back but the moment I contacted Dr Ughulu I got her back within 24 hours. I saw Dr ughulu on a group of United states so i visited his page and I saw he is spell caster so i decided to send him a message for him to help me bring back my wife so I texted him and i give him the reason why i text him and he said it shouldn't bother me i am getting her back immediately i was so very happy Dr ughulu arrange everything to cast a love spell on her that brought back my wife within 24 hours. She's now with me. I'm very grateful to know Dr Ughulu. Thank you so much sir. Website: https://drughulupowerfulsp.wixsite.com/my-site-ughulu EMAIL: drughulupowerfulspelltemple@gmail.com Call number Text number: +1(252) 409-1841

Xavier Lukas

commented on Oct 28, 2024

Harry Jones

commented on Oct 28, 2024

YOU WANT TO WIN A LOTTERY, SEND DR JATTO WHATSAPP MESSAGE:+234 901 616 2155 My name is Harry. I'm very happy to share my testimonies. The best thing that has ever happened in my life is how I won the lottery. I am a man who believes that one day I will win the lottery. Finally my dreams came through when I emailed Dr Jatto. I spend so much money on tickets just to make sure I win. But I never knew there was always something behind every lucky winner until the day I met Dr Jatto online, which I saw many people have talked about that he's very great when it comes to casting lottery spells, so I decided to give him a try. I contacted this great Dr Jatto and he did a spell and gave me the winning lottery numbers. But believe me when the draws came out I was among the lucky winners. I won 60 million dollars, with this great man you can win millions of dollars through the lottery. I am very happy to meet this great man. Via Dr Jatto Website: https://drjattolovespellte0.wixsite.com/my-jattosite or his Gmail: drjattolovespelltemple01@gmail.com

Hugh Gill

commented on Oct 31, 2024

As a Powerball winner, I am beyond grateful for the incredible blessings that have come my way. With the help of Prophet Isaac, my life has been forever changed. I won various amounts in the Powerball lottery, starting with a significant sum of $1 million, followed by $500,000, and ending with $100,000. Prophet Isaac's guidance and support were crucial in this journey to success, and I cannot thank him enough for his assistance. For anyone seeking guidance in their endeavors, I highly recommend reaching out to Prophet Isaac for his powerful spells and insight. Contact Prophet Isaac via email at urgentspellcast01@gmail. com or through WhatsApp at +1 (757) 237-1724 to experience the incredible transformation in your life.

Ricardo Ching

commented on Nov 1, 2024

I am thrilled to share my testimony as a lottery jackpot winner! With the guidance and assistance of Prophet Isaac, I was able to win various amounts in the Powerball lottery. I first won $10,000, then $50,000, and finally, the incredible jackpot of $1,000,000! Prophet Isaac's insights and blessings truly made all the difference in my life, and I am forever grateful for his help. For those seeking a positive change in their luck or fortunes, I highly recommend reaching out to Prophet Isaac. You can contact him via Email: urgentspellcast01@gmail. com , WhatsApp: +1 (757) 237-1724. You can as well check out his website or Facebook page. Website: https://6716471538aaf.site123.me/ Facebook Page: page https://www.facebook.com/RealWhiteMagicSpell.. Trust me, your life could change for the better just like mine did!

Maria Helena

commented on Nov 4, 2024

Hello, everyone's, my name is Maria Helena from the United kingdom and I want to use this opportunity to thank Dr Ughulu for helping me to cure my Herpes disease, it has been over 2 years now I had this disease I don't even know how it got throw me, i have been going to difference hospital just to make sure I get cure and nothing works out for me, until the day I saw a comment online about how someone testify how Dr Ughulu cure her herpes disease and It was so very interesting to me, I really think about it for few minutes before I sent him a message and he said you're welcome my daughter, he list out what he will buy to work for me and also he said I shouldn't worried. I will be fine, so I really did the right thing he asked me to do. It didn't take up to three weeks until I was healed from my herpes disease, I went for a checkup and the doctor told me nothing is wrong with me. Please join me to thank Dr Ughulu. I really appreciate his good work. My God will continue to bless you forever. You can visit his website: https://drughulupowerfulsp.wixsite.com/my-site-ughulu CALL/TEXT: +1(252) 409-1841 or email:drughulupowerfulspelltemple@gmail.com

Mirabel Henk

commented on Nov 8, 2024

This is my testimony on how I finally joined the new world order, Illuminati after I have been trying to join for over 2 years now but scammers took money from me several times. I have been searching to join the Illuminati for so long, but scammers keep taking my money until early this year when I meet with Lord Felix Morgan online I contacted him and I explained everything to him and he recommended the registration used and I paid for the big member to get me started and I was initiated into the World Order and I receive the sum of $1,000,000 us dollars after my initiation was done. I'm very happy! And promise to spread the good work of Lord Felix Morgan. If you are interested in joining the new world order Illuminati today, contact Lord Felix Morgan today he’s your best chance to gain membership to the illuminati that you always desire. Contact Lord Felix Morgan Email: Illuminatiofficial565@gmail.com or WhatsApp +2348055459757

Jackson Whittaker

commented on Nov 8, 2024

Greetings everyone I am Jackson Whittaker. I’m here to share my testimony on how I won America Lottery Game, since I was a teenager, I started playing different type of lottery games i haven’t been able to get a mega win. Rather I keep losing money buying tickets. Early 2020, I came across testimony online on how someone won the lottery game with the help of DR JATTO spell casting. i quickly tap on Dr Jatto’s link and saw other testimonies from people he helped won Lottery. I quickly sent him test via his whatsapp link and I told him I’m eager to win the coming lottery game, I explained everything to him. He told me the necessary things needed, I provided everything for him and he did it and send me the right winning number to play and when I played it, i won 314.9millions dollar and all I can say is thank you DR JATTO for everything you did for me. This win won’t be forgotten in a lifetime. Kindly send him a test on whatsapp: +234 901 616 2155 email:drjattolovespelltemple01@gmail.com or his website:https://drjattolovespellte0.wixsite.com/my-jattosite

George Aaron

commented on Nov 9, 2024

Greetings to everyone who read my testimony. Using this opportunity to thank the great real spell caster called Dr Ughulu is so exciting to me. I have been looking for a way to cure my HIV Disease but everything seems so wrong with all the herbal remedies I have taken. I was notified on my phone about how Dr. Ughulu cures someone out of herpes Disease. I read all the news that I was notified on the phone so luckily his website was there. That's when I went through it and I saw he is a powerful man so I took advantage and sent him a message to help me cure my HIV Disease. I was very happy when he responded to me and told me the items needed to be able to cure my HIV Disease after I had spent a lot of money in the Hospitals and also with different types of traditional medicine in my country. Dr Ughulu did his best and sent me herbal remedies to cure my HIV Disease. It didn't take up to a month. I was cured from HIV Disease. So when I met my Doctor to do a check up and my doctor told me I am fine now and free from HIV Disease. WEBSITE: https://drughulupowerfulsp.wixsite.com/my-site-ughulu EMAIL: drughulupowerfulspelltemple@gmail.com GET A QUICK RESPOND TEXT OR CALL: +1(252) 409-1841

Kiara Hahn

commented on Nov 11, 2024

How I Got My Ex Back with the Help of a Spell Caster +2349161779461 Hello everyone, my name is Kiara Hahn from California. I want to share my story about a powerful spell caster named Dr. Jakuta. I was heartbroken when my fiancé left me without warning, and I spent the last month feeling confused, guilty, and devastated. Desperate for help, I searched online for relationship advice and found Dr. Jakuta, who has helped many people with their relationship problems. I reached out to him, and he promised to bring my fiancé back to me within 72 hours. After following his instructions, my fiancé surprisingly showed up at my doorstep, apologized, and now we're living happily together again. If you're having relationship issues, you can contact Dr. Jakuta at: Email: doctorjakutaspellcaster24@gmail.com WhatsApp: +2349161779461

Bobby Liam

commented on Nov 11, 2024

I was diagnosed of herpes in 2019 and I tried all possible means to get cure but all to no avail until i saw a post in a health forum about a herbal doctor from Africa who prepare herbal medicine to cure all kind of diseases including herpes virus, at first i doubted if it was real but decided to give it a try, when i contact this herbal doctor via his email i bought the herpes herbal medicine and received it through DHL within 7 days and used it as prescribed, i tested negative to herpes virus within 3 weeks of usage. Thanks to Dr Ughulu His email: drughulupowerfulspelltemple@gmail.com And Calling Number: +1(252) 409-1841 More Reviews on his site: https://drughulupowerfulsp.wixsite.com/my-site-ughulu

Jackson Whittaker

commented on Nov 17, 2024

Bobby Liam

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Mirabel Henk

commented on Nov 19, 2024

This is my testimony on how I finally joined the new world order, Illuminati after I have been trying to join for over 2 years now but scammers took money from me several times. I have been searching to join the Illuminati for so long, but scammers keep taking my money until early this year when I meet with Lord Felix Morgan online I contacted him and I explained everything to him and he recommended the registration used and I paid for the big member to get me started and I was initiated into the World Order and I receive the sum of $1,000,000 us dollars after my initiation was done. I'm very happy! And promise to spread the good work of Lord Felix Morgan. If you are interested in joining the new world order Illuminati today, contact Lord Felix Morgan today he’s your best chance to gain membership to the illuminati that you always desire. Contact Lord Felix Morgan Email: Illuminatiofficial565@gmail.com or WhatsApp +2348055459757

Jackson Whittaker

commented on Nov 23, 2024

Greetings everyone I am Jackson Whittaker. I’m here to share my testimony on how I won America Lottery Game, since I was a teenager, I started playing different type of lottery games i haven't been able to get a mega win. Rather I keep losing money buying tickets. Early 2020, I came across testimony online on how someone won the lottery game with the help of DR JATTO spell casting. i quickly tap on Dr Jatto’s link and saw other testimonies from people he helped won Lottery. I quickly sent him test via his whatsapp link and I told him I’m eager to win the coming lottery game, I explained everything to him. He told me the necessary things needed, I provided everything for him and he did it and send me the right winning number to play and when I played it, i won 314.9millions dollar and all I can say is thank you DR JATTO for everything you did for me. This win won’t be forgotten in a lifetime. Kindly send him a test on call: +234 901 616 2155 email:drjattolovespelltemple01 @gmail. com

Jackson Whittaker

commented on Nov 23, 2024

Greetings everyone I am Jackson Whittaker. I’m here to share my testimony on how I won America Lottery Game, since I was a teenager, I started playing different type of lottery games i haven't been able to get a mega win. Rather I keep losing money buying tickets. Early 2020, I came across testimony online on how someone won the lottery game with the help of DR JATTO spell casting. i quickly tap on Dr Jatto’s link and saw other testimonies from people he helped won Lottery. I quickly sent him test via his whatsapp link and I told him I’m eager to win the coming lottery game, I explained everything to him. He told me the necessary things needed, I provided everything for him and he did it and send me the right winning number to play and when I played it, i won 314.9millions dollar and all I can say is thank you DR JATTO for everything you did for me. This win won’t be forgotten in a lifetime. Kindly send him a test on call: +234 901 616 2155 email:drjattolovespelltemple01 @gmail. com