Summary: Part 17 in series Love Never Dies, this message takes note of how growth in the spiritual life requires a loss of control. Faith may actually pose challenges to belief, and we must move forward with courage, even when we have no control over the outcome.

Losing Control

Love Never Dies, prt. 17

Wildwind Community Church

David Flowers

August 8, 2010

What do the following things have in

common?

a. Giving the remote to your spouse

b. Giving someone else the last word in

an argument

c. Deciding not to worry

f. Getting married

g.Going on a roller coaster

h.Watching someone you love go

through a serious illness

i. Dying

j. Sitting in the passenger seat

k. Coming to know God

What do all of those things have in

common? The answer is that they all

involve a loss of control. Obviously

giving the remote control to your spouse

involves a loss of control.

Giving someone else the last word in an

argument – that’s scary because to do

that is to decide that you’re not going to

control how it ends.

Deciding not to worry is deciding to

release your need to control the outcome

of a situation.

Getting married is about a decision to

allow someone else to have control over

your future.

When you go on a roller coaster, it takes

you wherever it’s going to go and you

have no say in the matter, except whether

or not to get on it to begin with.

When you love someone who is going

through serious illness, you often feel out

of control – you just want to do

something, but you can’t do what you

most want to do which is cure the illness

and make it go away.

Dying, obviously, is the ultimate loss of

control. It’s something that happens to

us, and almost never something that we

choose to bring upon ourselves. Usually

when people DO bring it upon themselves

it’s because they are feeling so out of

control that dying seems like the last way

available to them of keeping some kind of

control over their future.

When you sit in the passenger seat of a

car, you are not in control. Raise your

hand right now if you are a habitual backseat

(or side-seat) driver. Many people

are. It’s hard to not be in control, to let

someone else make the decisions,

especially if you sincerely feel you

usually make better decisions!

Like a lot of other aspects of life, coming

to know God, when it is authentic, when it

is really happening, is a loss of control.

It’s an intentional giving up of control.

Coming to know God is a little bit like the

roller coaster, in fact, because the only

real control you have in the matter is

whether or not to get on the ride. Once

you get on, what’s going to happen

simply is not up to you. You don’t hear

that very often. We’re told in the

church, “Say the sinner’s prayer. Read

your Bible. Go to church. Join a small

group. Grow in grace.” Grow in grace?

That’s a mouthful of mystery right there,

and we need to understand that! Grace is

God working in your life, and it’s clear

that God will work in our lives in ways

that defy our description and sometimes

even our desire!

In John 16, Jesus promises his disciples

that after he is gone, the Holy Spirit is

going to come, and he tells them that it is

through this Holy Spirit that they will

come to understand God more and more.

And we see in one of Christ’s statements

here that this Holy Spirit thing is out of

our control.

John 16:1-10 (MSG)

1 "I've told you these things to prepare you for rough times

ahead.

2 They are going to throw you out of the meeting places.

There will even come a time when anyone who kills you

will think he's doing God a favor.

3 They will do these things because they never really

understood the Father.

4 I've told you these things so that when the time comes

and they start in on you, you'll be well-warned and ready

for them. "I didn't tell you this earlier because I was with

you every day.

5But now I am on my way to the One who sent me. Not

one of you has asked, 'Where are you going?'

6 Instead, the longer I've talked, the sadder you've become.

7 So let me say it again, this truth: It's better for you that I

leave. If I don't leave, the Friend won't come. But if I go,

I'll send him to you.

8 "When he comes, he'll expose the error of the godless

world's view of sin, righteousness, and judgment:

9He'll show them that their refusal to believe in me is

their basic sin;

10 that righteousness comes from above, where I am with

the Father, out of their sight and control;

Righteousness comes from above, where

I am with the Father, out of their sight and

control.

See, when we can’t see someone, we

can’t control them. We can’t predict what

they will do, and we may not even know

or understand what they are doing. Right

now I can see you. I know where you are

and what you are doing. But in a little

while we’ll dismiss and you’ll walk out of

here and get in your car. I won’t be able

to see you anymore and at that point, you

will be beyond my sight, beyond my

ability to predict – even well beyond my

comprehension and understanding. This

is what Jesus tells his disciples about the

Holy Spirit. If you read the chapter, you

will see that Jesus really is saying, “It’s

good for you that I’m leaving. When you

can no longer see me, my Spirit will come

and if you think I did some tripped out

stuff when I was with you, wait til you get

a load of the Spirit. It’s gonna blow your

mind!”

Christianity has typically not submitted

very well to having its mind blown.

Scripture gives us trippy stuff like this:

John 3:8 (NIV)

8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its

sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where

it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

…and like this:

Acts 2:1-4 (NIV)

1When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together

in one place.

2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind

came from heaven and filled the whole house where they

were sitting.

3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that

separated and came to rest on each of them.

4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began

to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

Now that is OUT THERE! It’s not even an

issue of whether it’s in anyone’s comfort

zone. It’s outside the realm of

conceivability. What about this?

Ephesians 3:17-20 (MSG)

17 that Christ will live in you as you open the door and

invite him in. And I ask him that with both feet planted

firmly on love,

18 you'll be able to take in with all Christians the

extravagant dimensions of Christ's love. Reach out and

experience the breadth! Test its length! Plumb the depths!

Rise to the heights!

19 Live full lives, full in the fullness of God.

20God can do anything, you know—far more than you

could ever imagine or guess or request in your wildest

dreams! He does it not by pushing us around but by

working within us, his Spirit deeply and gently within us.

How about this?

1 Corinthians 2:9 (NIV)

9 "…No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has

conceived what God has prepared for those who love

him"--

Or this:

Matthew 14:25 (NIV)

25During the fourth watch of the night Jesus

went out to them, walking on the lake.

This is the God who calls to us. And

historically, these are some of our finest

efforts to put him into words – sing with

me:

SONG – CREED

Now there’s a place for things like

creeds. It clarifies things for us. It nails

things down. But the Holy Spirit cannot

be nailed down! So as good as things

like creeds can be, we lose a lot of God

when we think of him in those ways. Yet

we need SOMETHING to pin our thoughts

on, or else we’d end up sounding like we

live in a Harry Potter book, always

referring to “Him of whom nothing can be

spoken,” and talking about “the name

that cannot be named.”

Can you see the vivid contrast between

what scripture gives us about God and

the Holy Spirit, and what we end up with

when we boil it down? When we boil God

down, we tame him (of course calling

God “Him” is actually taming “him” too!).

We make it into statements we can agree

or disagree with, and then we think we

can have confidence that as long as we

agree with the correct things and

disagree with the incorrect things, we’re

good to go. But that’s not what the

spiritual life is about. In fact agreeing

with right statements and disagreeing

with wrong statements isn’t faith at all!

It’s just belief. That’s why the creed gets

it right when it keeps saying, “I believe, I

believe.” The Creed is simply giving us a

belief system. But the Creed isn’t giving

us faith. The Creed isn’t asking anything

of us. We can believe the Creed and still

be lost in our own egos. We can accept

the truth of the Creed and never give a

lick about the poor or anyone else. We

can sing the Creed with gusto and never

be changed. Creeds simply cannot

change us. Beliefs themselves cannot

change us. Now beliefs, accompanied by

faith, can bring change. Belief is what

makes faith possible. If I don’t believe

God exists, I will not think it’s possible to

know him, therefore faith in God will not

be possible. Belief makes faith possible,

but belief IS NOT FAITH. You can believe

and be completely faithless, as in fact I

believe many Christians actually are.

What was Jesus constantly saying to the

disciples – those devout religious Jewish

disciples? “Oh ye of little faith.”

Or “Where is your faith.” Or “Have you

no faith?” They were believers, but they

had very little faith.

The modern church has largely lost its

understanding of the difference between

faith and belief. Consequently, all we are

asked to do is to believe the right things.

But my friends, a person who has faith

but some wrong beliefs is better off than

a person who believes all the right things

but has no faith. Why?

Hebrews 11:6 (NIV)

6 …without faith it is impossible to please God…

Belief’s problem is that belief allows us

to maintain decorum and composure.

Belief lets us argue and debate, lets one

be right and makes another wrong.

Belief, in this respect, massages the ego.

Belief does not require a letting go, a loss

of control. But experiencing the Holy

Spirit, living and remaining in God, DOES

require a loss of control. We can dig in

our heels, believe more and more deeply,

and simply become more and more

stubborn and more convinced of our own

rightness and the other person’s

wrongness.

For a couple thousand years the church

has advocated belief, and left faith

behind. But righteousness comes not

from perfectly correct beliefs, from

knowing all the right things, but from

above, where Christ is with the Father,

out of our sight, and beyond our control.

Should I stop there? I mean, that’s

enough, isn’t it? How would your

spiritual life change today if you walked

out of here realizing that the Holy Spirit –

that God – is out of your sight and

beyond your control? What if we really

took to heart that the things God will do

truly are beyond all that we could ask, or

request, or even imagine? We have a

God like this, promises like this, these

words from Christ, and some find it hard

to accept that this incredible God might

have his arms around Gandhi right now,

or other people who are not like us? We

have a God like this, and we argue over

how and when people should be

baptized, and whether God loves certain

kinds of people? Seriously?

We gotta give up control. We gotta stop

confusing faith with belief. We gotta

realize that we can believe and be

faithless, but we cannot have faith and be

belief-less. But when belief comes from

faith, it is belief in what we know and

have experienced through faith, not

simply signing up for and buying

mentally into this or that statement. Have

you thought to yourself the past few

weeks, “Dang, this guy is turning my

whole understanding of faith on its ear”?

If you’ve thought that, you’re getting it.

I’m trying to convey it with the mystery

that is appropriate to it. If I don’t do that,

I’m simply not giving you God.

We gotta give up control. The Holy Spirit

is like wind. It’s like wind that is wild, and

it was with that understanding that I

named this church WILDWIND. We’re not

doing anything new here the last few

months – we’re just finding out how WILD

the Wild in Wildwind gets. And if it’s

really in sync and in tune with the Holy

Spirit of God, who is beyond our sight,

beyond our control, who visits us with

tongues of fire, who practically blows the

doors open at times – and who at other

times whispers so quietly we can barely

hear at all – then we’re onto something

real about who God is – something far

more real than I believe in God the Father

and in Jesus Christ and in the Holy Spirit

and he was born of a virgin and the

communion of saints, blah, blah, blah.

Not that that stuff doesn’t matter, but it’s

not faith! Faith is not in those words –

faith is in that thing that takes you out

beyond what you ever thought you might

consider – beyond what you ever

imagined you might experience. Faith

does not constrict God in your mind but

frees him up. Faith does not shrink God

and his love down, but sees it as infinitely

vast. Faith does not busy itself with

getting all the facts straight. Faith

doesn’t worry about control, but gives up

control and realizes that every attempt we

make to keep control chokes out faith.

Faith surrenders to the wild wind of the

Spirit.

Let me ask you something. Is the vitality

of your relationship with your spouse or

with your kids dependent on all the facts

you know about them? Of course not!

Now certainly if you love someone you

will know some facts about them, but the

facts are never the point. NEVER! The

facts don’t determine the relationship.

Whether your spouse was born in

Kalamazoo to a poor mom or rumored to

have been dropped off by aliens at

Roswell is immaterial to them being your

spouse and you loving them. In fact, we

get married precisely so that we will be

loved BEYOND facts! People who do not

know and love me judge me by facts – by

my performance. Do I preach good

sermons? Am I growing my church? Am

I helping my clients and students? Those

are matters of fact. But people who love

me, love me for ME – because of what I

MEAN to them – me – who I am – the

person who interacts with others in

mysterious relationship that can’t really

be measured or explained or put in a

bottle. I’ve said it before – to us, Michael

Jackson was the King of Pop. But to his

children, he was just – daddy. To us, he

was his accomplishments, but to his

children he was his being as he conveyed

his life and his love to them in things big

and small – mostly in things too small for

us to measure or be able to say, “Look,

there it is” or “That’s what it was.”

Relationship is always mysterious.

Reminds me of something:

Luke 17:20-21 (NCV)

20 Some of the Pharisees asked Jesus, “When will

the kingdom of God come?“ Jesus answered, “God’s

kingdom is coming, but not in a way that you will be able

to see with your eyes.

21 People will not say, ’Look, here it is!’ or, ’There

it is!’ because God’s kingdom is within you.“

The vitality of our relationship with God

is simply not dependent on facts and

information and control. In fact, coming

to know God means losing control. It

means stepping away from our

judgments. Most people I know, when

you say something to them, they will

almost immediately say to you, “I agree

or disagree with that.” They’re just

waiting to judge what I say and render a

verdict on it. I struggle when I talk to

people like that. I sometimes am at a

total loss for words with them because

they’re not really listening to me – they’re

just rushing to form their own opinions

and check off the box that says they

listened to me, like it’s a transaction. You

speak. I agree or disagree. I speak. You

agree or disagree. Perhaps we try to

convince one another, but we’re

fundamentally in opposition to each

other. I don’t like that. You know who I

love talking to? People that when I say

something, nod and go, “Hmmm…never

thought about that before. Tell me what’s

behind that. Tell me what it feels like to

carry that around with you. Help me see

what you are saying.” People like that

don’t just see me as someone to agree

and disagree with, but as someone to

understand, to know, to live in

mysterious relationship to. That’s spirit.

To experience spirit, we must be willing

to lose control – to not have to have the

answers; to not claim to know what God

is up to; to not think that belief in God

puts us in relationship with him; to not

assume that God must not be able to

reach this person or that group, or people

of this or that party or persuasion. But

don’t take my word for it. Read through

scripture yourself and see if you can find

any evidence at all that we can draw any

boxes, any borders, of any kind at all,

around God. Don’t just sit there and

think this is liberal gobbledy-gook. This

is gospel, embedded right into our very

name, WILDWIND! This isn’t about me

being squishy and theologically liberal,

it’s about a decision I made long ago to

try never to teach Christianity as a

religion (a mere belief system) and to try

always to teach it as spirituality – a way

of knowing God and living life with him.

And frankly, after eight years, I think I’m

just hitting my stride. I hope you’re able

to hear me.

This doesn’t mean we throw out belief.

Just because belief doesn’t necessarily

lead to faith doesn’t mean belief doesn’t

play an important role. But I think that

any belief, in order to be considered even

remotely right, must carry right inside it

the idea that, “This is what I strongly

believe – but I fully expect one day that

God is going to blow me away with the

truth.” If we believe with that attitude, we

can believe strongly, and passionately,

and belief will not be able to make us

rigid, or cause us to lock God in a box, or

try to determine what he can do, or who

he can work in. Belief like that allows our

faith to lead the way, as it must. Paul

made clear that this is the proper way to

believe:

1 Corinthians 13:12 (NIV)

12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror;

then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part;

then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

The issue is whether you can believe

firmly and passionately, whether your

passionate belief can serve as a

container for authentic faith, without

coming to think that it’s the belief that is

important and not the faith.

Sidepoint before I close: I realize that in

this text Jesus says, “Refusal to believe

in me is their basic sin.” But when Christ

spoke of belief, he always meant belief

not in a creedy/statementy/professiony

kind of way, but in an experiential faithy

kind of way.

To experience God, to experience life

with his Spirit, we must be ready to give

up control, to let go of the things that

keep us comfortable and familiar. Doing

this requires not just belief but true faith.

As Jesus walked on the water, Peter

could believe it was him. He could

believe Jesus could allow him to do it.

But faith couldn’t kick in until he let go of

the boat – gave up his hold on what was

keeping him safe and comfortable – and

started walking. Belief makes faith

possible, but faith itself will sometimes

test and challenge our beliefs. Faith will

sometimes require us to let go of those

things that have made us comfortable –

the things we have come to trust in – so

that our faith is not in our beliefs, but

rather in God.

If it hasn’t already happened to you, that

will be a natural part of your faith journey.

When it starts happening, remember that

this is what pushes you beyond belief

and into true faith – that’s where Jesus is.

There is nothing to fear.