Jeremy Geerdes

commented on Oct 19, 2011

This is good stuff. Certainly, very true. I wonder, though, if you can offer any advice for people prone to externalizing and internalizing the hurt to process it more appropriately and constructively (i.e., to learn from it).

Matt Krachunis

commented on Oct 19, 2011

a statement that has comforted me over the years came from a fellow pastor "People leave churches, that's what people do". I expect everyone will leave at some point.

Scott Maxwell

commented on Oct 19, 2011

Over 27 years of pastoring, I can count on a hand how many people actually called and told me they were seeking a new faith family. The rest just leave-- and I've called them to listen to them. I don't mind people leaving-- however, it does no good to leave and carry the wounds or unfulfilled expectations to their next place. I seek to bless them on their way so they can go in peace.

Rev. Wayne Claxton

commented on Oct 19, 2011

I take it personally sometimes, but yet its not about me trying to convince someone to stay beyond their season. Lets face it, ppl. will do what they want anyway without regards to how their decision affects others. I've learned to say, "bless them Lord where ever they go."

John Van Haneghan

commented on Oct 19, 2011

A very valuable article. It can be one of those things that has a habit of sticking with you, and keep you from focusing on what good is going on in the life of your church.

John Kiddy

commented on Oct 19, 2011

Very seldom have I not been made aware of the unavoidable departure of church family members by the Holy Spirit and it helps, but it does not remove the pain. I pray I never get to the place that I don't hurt from their leaving.

Thomas J. Dawes

commented on Oct 19, 2011

there is another reason ppl leave the church - becoming house-bound. and when this happens it hurts the house-bound more than the pastor.

James Way

commented on Oct 19, 2011

Good article. Some people leave because they can't get their way -- it becomes a power struggle, "It's either me or them" mentality. When a person leaves a church without the expressed assignment of God, they not only hinder the church they go to, but they also miss the spiritual growth God intended them to receive and contribute at the church they are leaving. So often we pastors are excited because of "new people" we fail to ask, "Why did they leave where they were?" They don't have any qualms about asking us that when we leave and arrive at a new place of service. I have occasionally called "their" former pastor and asked about a "heads up". Trouble might have just walked in the door and we're celebrating? We are to be alert at all times shepherds of the flock. Thanks Greg for an important reminder.

Rodney Shanner

commented on Oct 19, 2011

I have made it a point to do "exit visits" when people leave. Quite frankly, I have found it very rare for those leaving to be honest about the reason(s). Thus, I take the "stated" reason with a grain of salt. Eventually, the true reason will surface through the "grapevine". Usually, the reason is self-serving, that's why people won't state it. So, I wish them well and don't burn any bridges.

Pastor Victor Stevens-Rosenberg Ph.d.

commented on Oct 19, 2011

I believe every pastor who tends a flock should read Ezekiel 34 almost everyday. With all due respect, the essay and comments are more about the pastors than the heart of the people that leave the church. As a new pastor and school graduate I know for me while going to a non-denominational seminary/bible college, the Holy Spirit put me on a church tour. From the Catholic to the poor country church on a dirt road, a total of nine churches so far including the church my wife and I are attending now. I started going to school when I started going to a church on a regular basis. I was a man of spirituality and faith for many years but when I entered the world of churches/school I was quite naive. I never intended to go on a church tour led by the Holy Spirit, as all I wanted was a family of faith, beginning and ending with the first church. I remember when it was time to leave one church, I balked, and felt the hand of the Holy Spirit literally on my back pushing me out the door. I love staying in one home, one place and moving from church to church has not been an altogether pleasant experience. In His Love, I would suggest all pastors of flocks read the seven Epistles to John in Revelation often and be very aware of what does being Laodecia mean? The flock often reflects the shepherd, but without being judgemental, I discerned a real problem with the clerics: full of themselves, holier than thou attitudes, sermons full of feel good nonsense, a corporate mindset rather than a person to person mindset, okay before I go on, I understand we are just human with our flaws and imperfections, and it is easy for me who has never pastored a group of people just ones that come and go in my life, to be critical, however, even though I 'see through a glass darkly', now while in this mortal coil, and will see clearly in the next life, it is important beyond all measure to do all things through love. I know that the reason the Holy Spirit put me on what I call a church tour was to open my eyes to today's church, at least a slice of it. Nine churches does not make for a consensus but I believe there is a real problem generally speaking with today's clergy and the church. Not once were we ever asked why we left any of the churches!!! Enough said.

Anonymous Contributor

commented on Oct 19, 2011

To the good pastors out there who are hurt and disillusioned because people are leaving without a word or excuse, I'm sorry that happens to you. All you need to do is teach the entire counsel of the word of God, if you are handling that correctly and managing your position in a godly manner, God will take care of the rest. I've belonged to and left 3 churches in my 30 yrs as a believer. The most recent (3mo ago) was because of false teaching, mishandling of the word and illegal practices in the financial department by the pastor and the head deacon. Now if you were to call them, do you think they would tell you why I left? No, they would tell you what they tell everyone else, that I didn't get my way, o. whatever that means :) Calling a former church for a reference of some sort is crazy. Who knows what work the Lord has done or will do in that person's life , and what if the report was poor, what would you do? Hang in there you men of God who are dedicated to teaching and living out the Word of God, you are few and far between, the rewards here may be few, but their are wonderful ones waiting for your arrival in heaven.

Stephen Knoll

commented on Oct 19, 2011

I've been a full time pastor for over 30 years now and it still hurts everytime someone leaves. The most recent significant departure happened 6 months ago. It was a family that my wife and I were very connected to. In reality, they were like our right-hand people. We exposed our short-comings - highs and lows to them over a period of 4 years. They shifted to another church in town and it devastated me! It pierced me to the core and threw me in the ditch for a while. The hardest thing was continuing to get up every Sunday and move forward with such internal pain. At first, I purposed not to get close to anyone again. It hurts too much. But then, I wouldn't be a shepherd if I didn't feel for my flock. It's like a betrayal. Six months later, the emotion is not as strong and we have moved forward ..... and I have too. I guess my council for this would be to "keep on keeping on" ... Get up in the morning, be faithful, and go to bed." I would also say to do your best not to "defend" yourself. The temptation is to vent and to vent loudly so all know it wasn't your fault. Let the Lord be your rearguard and do your best to keep your mouth silent. I pray for these folks now and wish them God's best .... inside I still hurt for them and the void of what once was a wonderful relationship. Selah.

Rolando Ruiz

commented on Oct 19, 2011

When church members leave they are a double blessing, a blessing for the church that they left, because they couldn't continue worshiping there for whatever reason they came up with and a blessing to the new congregation they joined to work there for the Lord's glory. This way at looking at this has helped me in the ministry.

Dr. David Hallum

commented on Oct 20, 2011

With the exception of the Pastor/Dr and the church member who responded to this article, everyone who wrote seems to share (overtly or covertly) the pain of losing church members. Why is that? Simply, they are not a flock of sheep, they are a family of saints. Sometimes the saints seem to have horns, but nonetheless, they are FAMILY. No one loses a family member without pain and no minister loses a church member without pain. It is part and parcel of the call. A pastor loves his people and only time will heal the wounds left by departing members.

Mike Ingo

commented on Oct 21, 2011

For Brother Jeremy: Before I became a full time pastor I was an associate and held a public job. I worked for a large company in one of their factories and part of my duties included teaching anger and stress management. In order to teach the classes I had to take them first! My advice for you is to take an anger management class, even though you may not have problems with anger, it has proved to be very helpful to me as a pastor in understanding others anger and their responses to issues. It also helps me to manage my feelings toward their feelings! Hope this helps some.

Tina Mcgehee

commented on Oct 21, 2011

When my husband and I were senior pastors we used to have different feelings when people left or just didn't come to church. My husband would be disappointed and hurt while I would feel exhausted and depressed. We are human and the fact is: It hurts. However; we also have to realize that many people in today's churches are not fully healed and walking around to satisfy their needs and not the needs of God. Times have changed in America: I've noticed that other people from countries like Africa and India stay in their churches and will do whatever they can for God. I wonder if this is due to the watered down sermons that are so prevalent today? I would just ask my fellow pastors today: Are your sermons watered down or are they staying true to the Word of God? If they are true then rest assured that once you get to heaven you'll reap the rewards as mentioned in another post. Thank you.

Rev Becky Troke

commented on Oct 24, 2011

hia, we have a very small church on a very hard estate, there was a church here before but they departed from the word of God ther sermons became all the same and boreing, eventually everyone lost there vision and left,They left us the church and we changed the name and were so convicted by God to preach only His word, and nothing else, we have had some come and go because we dont leep up and down for an hour before we preach the word, we worship God in a way they young people who have never been to church can relate to, or already know from school. Now what has all this to do with the subject u may well ask, because we r so small every person who leaves hurts like mad, but we are so firm in our calling, there is only one question to ask "whoes church is it anyway", yes we would love even 50 people but its Gods church, and He knows we r being faithfull to His word. God Bless you all.

Gordon Dorsey

commented on Oct 25, 2011

yes very sad when a member up and leaves without expressing the reasons why. but that is the nature of the business we are in.members come and members goe as pastors we just have to do are best and give are all for the kingdom of Godand wish them well.

Neftali Nava

commented on Oct 29, 2011

When I started pastoring 10 years ago, a seasoned pastor asked, "have they made you cry yet?" I didn't understand what he was talking about. "Of course not," I answered. With time I understood what he meant by those words. I have been comforted many times by remembering the cross, and the loneliness Christ must have felt. Today I understand that ppl will come and go for may reasons, but we must press forward to fulfill our calling.

Juanita Rodgers

commented on Nov 30, 2012

I think a lot of times the church can be one sided when discussing why people leave the church and we always talk about how hurt the pastor is or the pastor talks about how so many people have hurt their leaders but we never talk about how pastors abuse their privelages with their flock. The spirit of familiarity with the flock where you feel you can talk to people any kind of way because they have been with you for a longtime. The neglect factor not showing care of concern because they do not fit into your form of people (clicks) or refusing show care or concern because people are not your workhorses or yes people. If you do not say yes to every opportunity to serve in the church some leaders will look upon you as not being faithful. Some pastors receive an accusation about people without really consulting with the person who the accusation was brought upon. Some churches will make demands on people serving the church in giving of their time, talent, and treasure which is scriptural but in a demeaning way. Some Pastors motivate through negativity and manipulation and wonder why they do not reap the results they are looking for or lasting. They will put demands on a congregation as far as what it takes to be a member which outweighs what their giving to you in return. A lot of churches are set up to benefit as far as people serving their vision instead of their vision serving the people. Churches will move into a community and take resources and not give back into the community more less take care of their own yet we will go into foreign countries and do missions and will not take care of the people in need that belong to your own flock. Leaders will take resources and build up the image of the ministry but can't pay their staff. They will fly in high cost well know preachers and pay them 10,000 honorarium but can't pay members rent who has fallen on hardt and who has been faithful tither. They will set in their personal circles and talk make comments about people and their character to other members of the church and not think people are not taking note. I could say more. Am I against preachers no we need them but I just think the approach to why people leave is one sided.

Juanita Rodgers

commented on Nov 30, 2012

I think a lot of times the church can be one sided when discussing why people leave the church and we always talk about how hurt the pastor is or the pastor talks about how so many people have hurt their leaders but we never talk about how pastors abuse their privelages with their flock. The spirit of familiarity with the flock where you feel you can talk to people any kind of way because they have been with you for a longtime. The neglect factor not showing care of concern because they do not fit into your form of people (clicks) or refusing show care or concern because people are not your workhorses or yes people. If you do not say yes to every opportunity to serve in the church some leaders will look upon you as not being faithful. Some pastors receive an accusation about people without really consulting with the person who the accusation was brought upon. Some churches will make demands on people serving the church in giving of their time, talent, and treasure which is scriptural but in a demeaning way. Some Pastors motivate through negativity and manipulation and wonder why they do not reap the results they are looking for or lasting. They will put demands on a congregation as far as what it takes to be a member which outweighs what their giving to you in return. A lot of churches are set up to benefit as far as people serving their vision instead of their vision serving the people. Churches will move into a community and take resources and not give back into the community more less take care of their own yet we will go into foreign countries and do missions and will not take care of the people in need that belong to your own flock. Leaders will take resources and build up the image of the ministry but can't pay their staff. They will fly in high cost well know preachers and pay them 10,000 honorarium but can't pay members rent who has fallen on hardt and who has been faithful tither. They will set in their personal circles and talk make comments about people and their character to other members of the church and not think people are not taking note. I could say more. Am I against preachers no we need them but I just think the approach to why people leave is one sided.

Abdul Jimoh

commented on Apr 29, 2020

I have pastored now for more than 13 years in both urban and rural settings. Sometimes as a pastor when you least expect someone people just wake up one day and stops coming to church. It's even more painful when they don't give any reason when asked. But I have found comfort in the word of God that all things work for our good and also that people left following Jesus. So this has brought me to the conclusion that, it is a part of the pruning process for both individual church members and the entire church as a whole for it to be able to grow healthier.

Abdul Jimoh

commented on Apr 29, 2020

I have pastored now for more than 13 years in both urban and rural settings. Sometimes as a pastor when you least expect someone just wakes up one day and stops coming to church. It's even more painful when such don't give any reason when asked. But I have found comfort in the word of God that all things work for our good and also that people left following Jesus. So this has brought me to the conclusion that, it is a part of the pruning process for both individual church members and the entire church as a whole for it to be able to grow healthier. Reply

Adebodun Doyle

commented on May 1, 2020

I pastored a parish of a church I attend, and in the 8 years that I pastored, many of the members of the congregation left., This included my assistant without any reason. However, some left for good reasons, such as relocation or a call to new a ministry. Some left because of a grudge against the pastor or a member of the congregation. One lesson I learnt from all these over the years was that it was not about me, but about Jesus. So I blessed them and remained in contact if they desired it.

E L Zacharias

commented on May 2, 2020

Good words of advice. It hurts to observe a flock going its own way. As shepherds, we care about their wandering, but we cannot curb their will. We can care. And that is what hurts. Yes, Ezekiel is good counsel for those who shepherd the Lord's flock--but we are better to let the great Shepherd guide and keep us. Let us be guided by him, as we in turn shepherd those under our care. Interesting that these nine years later, that aspiring pastor-critic, PhD is a denizen of the art world. When you put your hand to the plow, you are blessed to look ahead, not behind you or side by side. Blessing to us all, as our hope is in him who died for us and rose to bring us peace. Without that peace, our soul would never find rest!